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Многие политологи пытаются проводить аналогию между Ираком и Россией, между Кувейтом и Крымом/Донбассом, между Саддамом Хусейном и Владимиром Путиным. Проводить такие аналогии неверно.

Напомню хронологию иракских событий.
- В 1990 году Ирак вторгается в Кувейт и аннексирует его.
- На следующий день после вторжения ООН накладывает на Ирак санкции, которые длятся и по сей день (уже 25 лет), лишь немного были смягчены в 2013 году.
- Через 7 месяцев проходит операция "Буря в пустыне", в ходе которой Кувейт освобождается.
- В 2003 году американская армия вторгается в Ирак и сносит режим Хусейна.
- Хусейн был повешен в конце 2006 года.

Ирак в ходе этих событий превратился из зажиточной страны ближнего востока в нищую страну, сотрясаемую бедствиями и терактами.

В чем отличия между Россией и Ираком, между вторжением в Кувейт и воссоединением Крыма с Россией:

1. Российская армия не вторгалась в Крым, а пришли "зеленые человечки", которые не считаются российской армией.
2. Кувейт был несогласен воссоединиться с Ираком, а Крым - согласен.
3. Ирак не мог в ООН наложить вето на проведение наземной операции, а Россия - может.
4. Ирак - не самодостаточная страна, т.к. он маленький по площади, поэтому население Ирака сильно обнищало из-за санкций, а Россия - самодостаточная, т.к. самая большая страна мира по площади. От голода не умрем, от холода тоже - газ свой есть (хотя у Ирака было преимущество перед Россией в виде гораздо более теплого климата).
5. Ирак не мог производить собственное оружие, а Россия - может.
6. Операция "Буря в пустыне" прошла через 7 месяцев, а после воссоединения Крыма с Россией прошел уже год, и никто не задумывается об таком. И Обама - не Буш-старший.
7. Касательно Донбасса: хотя все в мире и уверены, что российские войска находятся на Донбассе, и над Лавровым бессовестно смеются, но убедительных доказательств этому никто не предоставил.
8. Санкции наоборот позволят оздоровить российскую экономику и переориентироваться на отечественного товаропроизводителя. Безработица возможна, например, пострадает московский офисный планктон: всех лодырей поувольняют, но трудолюбивые люди пойдут на заводы, чтобы работать и поднимать экономику, как это было в эпоху сталинской индустриализации. Пусть эти санкции длятся 25 лет, как у Ирака - нам-то что?
9. Запад рассчитывает, что россияне начнут возмущаться и через 16 лет повесят Путина как иракцы Хусейна. Это невозможно по нескольким причинам:
- у нас демократия, и Путин не будет сидеть на президентском троне вечно, через 16 лет по-любому у власти будет преемник;
- в России не вешают, а расстреливают. И на смертную казнь уже давно наложен мораторий;
- россияне все равно будут любить Путина, если даже будут нищими из-за санкций.

По этим всем причинам сравнивать Росссию с Ираком бессмысленно и даже кощунственно. У нас все равно не будет так всё плохо, как в Ираке.

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Date: 2015-02-10 04:54 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-02-10 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] far01.livejournal.com
У нас все происходит быстрей и беспощадней.
Об этом тоже не стоит забывать.

Date: 2015-02-10 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
В каком смысле быстрей и беспощадней?

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Date: 2015-02-10 04:55 am (UTC)
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ну, и россия - всё-таки православная страна.
а православные - правы, хотя бы из названия это очевидно

Date: 2015-02-10 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Да, верно, а в Ираке - ислам.

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Date: 2015-02-10 04:55 am (UTC)
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Текст прекрасен целиком, но пассаж "Россия самодостаточная, т.к. самая большая страна мира по площади" - особенно.

Date: 2015-02-10 05:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beggerbro.livejournal.com
И нефть радует: http://beggerbro.livejournal.com/2709.html

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Date: 2015-02-10 05:03 am (UTC)
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ну и.. как бы.. Россия - ядерная сверхдержава. Этого отличия достаточно, чтоб все остальные отличия были несущесвтенны

Date: 2015-02-10 05:10 am (UTC)
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Ну и что что ядерная ? Это значит что мировые законы и правила России не писаны ? Россия стала на путь пирата ? Угрожая всему миру ядерным оружием теперь можно плевать на все мировые правила и права ?

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Америка уже не та )))

Date: 2015-02-10 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Америка распадется.

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Date: 2015-02-10 05:09 am (UTC)
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очень хотелось бы про Крым почитать от вас Поля . Напишите как там в Крыму люди ( пенсионеры ) живут . Как рады тому что им обещали за то что они предали Родину . Зарплаты и пенсии не велики ? Пенсионеры ни в чем себе не отказывают ? Теперь Крым без Украины рай ? Вы получили все что и о чем мечтали ? Как ваша крымская совесть поживает ? Не гложет ?А если она вообще у вас . Да и напишите социальный доход -расход населения в сравнении с 2013 годом ! Можете ?Или вас за это накажут ваши агитационные руководители .

Date: 2015-02-10 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Крым присоединялся к России не из-за денег, так что Ваши инсинуации беспочвенны.

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Date: 2015-02-10 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittanno.livejournal.com
пока Кабаев следует по стопам Саддама Хуссейна - превратился в такого же международного изгоя,каким стал Хуссейн после захвата Кувейта

Date: 2015-02-10 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Кто такой Кабаев?

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Date: 2015-02-10 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dedxassan.livejournal.com
Последним трём пунктам - "Брависсимо!"))))

Date: 2015-02-10 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Мерси)

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Date: 2015-02-10 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livejournal.livejournal.com
Здравствуйте! Ваша запись попала в топ-25 популярных записей LiveJournal южного региона (http://www.livejournal.com/?rating=ru_south). Подробнее о рейтинге читайте в Справке (https://www.dreamwidth.org/support/faqbrowse?faqid=303).

Date: 2015-02-10 05:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alekseenkoa.livejournal.com
а жовто-блакытная сторона ошибочно проводит параллели с Чечней, совершенно не учитывая реалий (ни промпотенциала Донбасса, ни количества населения, ни единокровного соседства ...)

Date: 2015-02-10 05:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Чечня вообще не в тему. Еще меньше к ситуации подходит, чем Ирак.

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Date: 2015-02-10 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideolog14.livejournal.com
Все Думают лишь головою, и только Русич всё Душой!..

Date: 2015-02-10 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alyachel.livejournal.com
Надеюсь, что это не повторение истории.

Date: 2015-02-10 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Если даже это повторение, то оно будет иным. Ничего в истории не повторяется дважды точь-в-точь.

Date: 2015-02-10 06:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] Андрей Крупиков (from livejournal.com)
Все правильно кроме последнего "россияне все равно будут любить Путина".
Его многие и сейчас не любят, но на "ход поршней" это не влияет.

Date: 2015-02-10 07:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Ну не любить, так поддерживать.

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Date: 2015-02-10 06:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mesier.livejournal.com
Россию корректнее с Ираном сравнивать.
Те под воздействием санкций (вплоть до изоляции) превратились в высокоразвитую страну, обладающую сильной экономикой, оборонной мощью.
"Значит нам туда дорога!". ))

Date: 2015-02-10 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Иран - высокоразвитая страна? ОК.
Хотя там пол-страны - это горы сплошные. Мы летели над Ираном.

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Date: 2015-02-10 06:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-s-o-u-l.livejournal.com
"пу-тин-ху-сейн!! Ла-ла-ла-Ла-Ла-ла-ла-ла..."(С)

Date: 2015-02-10 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Вам бы в белорусском КВН выступать.

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Date: 2015-02-10 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skwoznyak-wot.livejournal.com
"зевая"

Ирак=РФ, патамушта руководство РФ точно так же купят при желании. Соотв. остальные тезисы-ниочём.

Date: 2015-02-10 07:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politichanka.livejournal.com
Кто купит? Как купит?

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Date: 2015-02-10 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] b5204.livejournal.com
"- у нас демократия, и Путин не будет сидеть на президентском троне вечно, через 16 лет по-любому у власти будет преемник;" - эталонная демократия. республика сан-марино нервно курит в стороне.
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Date: 2015-02-10 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goblinnss.livejournal.com
Если выборочно подчеркивать удобные определения, то и вас наверно стулом назвать можно будет))

Date: 2015-02-10 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dimbass-32.livejournal.com
перефразируя гошу гайдара ну подумаешь , 20-30млн. не впишутся в кризис, да и х*й с ними, кекеке
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Date: 2015-02-10 07:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] exinaceja.livejournal.com
Россия могущественная,непобедимая держава.Никто не смеет ей указывать,что делать.А крах Америки неминуем.

Date: 2015-02-10 07:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roman vovk (from livejournal.com)
По поводу первого пункта.

Если Полю изнасиловать страпоном, будет ли
это считаться изнасилованием?

По логике Поли - нет, так как страпон не является
мужским половым органом. Соответственно и никакого изнасилования не было. Профит!

Или я не прав?

Date: 2015-02-10 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entertainer1.livejournal.com
Открой уголовный кодекс, лалка. И почитай его. Так все ответы на твои вопросы.
И да, ты не прав.

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Date: 2015-02-10 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-am-laska-too.livejournal.com
Концовка великолепная. "У нас все равно не будет так всё плохо, как в Ираке. " Ага, будет тришечки лучше.

Date: 2015-02-10 08:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] entertainer1.livejournal.com
Достаточно будет посмотреть на Украину и понять, что у нас на самом деле все замечательно.

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Date: 2015-02-10 08:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] graph.livejournal.com
>Ирак - не самодостаточная страна, т.к. он маленький по площади, поэтому население Ирака сильно обнищало из-за санкций, а Россия - самодостаточная, т.к. самая большая страна мира по площади.

Несерьезный аргумент. Дело не в площади. В мире есть много маленьких по площади стран, котоыре язык не повернется назвать не самодостаточными. Та же Швейцария: доходы только часовой промышленности сопоставимы с доходами Газпрома...

Что же касаемо площади России, то достаточно полетать на самолёте восточнее Урала, чтобы понять - это "пустые" площади...

Date: 2015-02-10 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grig-sh.livejournal.com
Швейцария самодостаточна пока ее никто не трогает. Часы есть не будешь. Так-то ДОХОДЫ от этой промышленности в два раза меньше чем только ПРИБЫЛЬ Газпрома.

И хорошо, что пустые, есть где собирать ягоду всякую. Вот мне вполне свободно живется как раз за этим Уралом и хорошо, что деревни-хутора не натыканы одна за одной, как на Кубани.

Date: 2015-02-10 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flywasher.livejournal.com
и впрямь, скорее на большую Северную Корею похожи становитесь

Date: 2015-02-10 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roman-rostovcev.livejournal.com
Мне нравится п. 8.
Россияне так друг друга ненавидят, что согласны жить хуже, если кому-то из россиян станет ещё хуже.
Это шикарно.

Date: 2015-02-10 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grig-sh.livejournal.com
это правильно, ибо слишком много в экономике бесполезных менеджеров. Конечно им станет хуже, нельзя больше будет греть зад, не делая ничего полезного. С другой стороны им же будет и лучше - найдут работу, способствующую действительному росту ума

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